Agenda and minutes

Venue: Orbit Business Centre, Rhydycar Business Park, Merthyr Tydfil, CF48 1DL

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Briefing Session

A briefing session for Panel Members will be held from 10.35am - 11.05am (approximately) prior to the arrival of any invited attendees or witnesses to the meeting.


The Chair welcomed Councillors Benjamin Grey and Graham Thomas as new members to the Panel and introduced newly appointed co-optee Ian Fox, who is awaiting final ratification on his appointment.


The Chair advised Panel of the format of the meeting and Simon Jones explained the procedure for acceptance/rejection of the precept.


The Panel then considered in detail the issues that were to be considered at the Meeting.


Apologies for Absence


Apologies for absence were received from Councillor Erika Kirchner and Emma Wools, Deputy Police and Crime Commissioner.


Declarations of Interest

Members are reminded of their personal responsibility to declare any personal and prejudicial interest in respect of matters contained in this agenda in accordance with the provisions of the Local Government and Finance Act 1992 relating to Council Tax, the Local Government Act 2000, the Council’s Constitution and the Members Code of Conduct




(a)  Members are reminded that they must identify the item number and subject matter that their interest relates to and signify the nature of the personal interest and


(b)  Where Members withdraw from a Meeting as a consequence of the disclosure of a prejudicial interest they must notify the Chair when they leave


No declarations of interest were received.


Minutes of meeting Tuesday, 17 September 2019 of South Wales Police and Crime Panel pdf icon PDF 168 KB


Resolved that:


The Minutes of the Meeting held 17 September 2019 be accepted as a correct record.


Police and Crime Commissioner for South Wales' Medium Term Financial Strategy 2020 to 2024 & Precept Proposal 2020/21 pdf icon PDF 285 KB

To consider the attached report


Additional documents:


The Chair welcomed Panel and member of the public to the meeting and suggested due to new appointments the Panel and the Commissioner’s Team provide introductions.


The Commissioner and his Team provided background information and a detailed presentation on the Medium Term Financial Strategy 2020 to 2024 & Precept Proposal 2020/21 with particular reference to the following:


(Alun Michael)


·         Police Grant

·         DRIVE Programme

·         Women’s Pathfinder

·         Swansea Help Point

·         Neighbourhood Policing

·         Working with Partners

·         Recorded Crime/Public Experience of Crime

·         Potential Precept Zone

·         Cumulative Impact of Central Government Decisions on Police Funding

·         Change in police officer numbers 1979 – 2018

·         Precept history

·         Precept Settlement 2020/21


(Matt Jukes)


·         Operational context

·         999/101 calls – Increase in calls (not necessarily reporting crime, but calls for help where other services are not available 24 hours a day)

·         Current and emerging operational context – risks to South Wales’ communities (drug harm and supply; serious violence; domestic violence and abuse; child exploitation; rape and serious sexual offence; counter terrorism)

·         Recorded crime is rising (more complicated crime e.g. fraud)

·         Recorded crime over the last five years

·         Time to investigate to a positive outcome

·         Non-Crime Demand (missing persons, LAC, mental health)

·         Hidden harm – drug deaths (South Wales highest area in the UK for drug deaths)

·         Disrupting supply chain

·         What we have in place (public service centre; agile and digital; developments)

·         Quality of outcomes

·         Reduction in recorded crime (anti-social behaviour; burglary; vehicle offences)

·         Quality of service (public perception; domestic abuse victims)

·         Operational Summary


(Uma Hussain)

·         Budget Forecast 2020 – 2021

·         Police Settlement 2020 – 2021 – Uplift

·         Changes in Central Government cash funding to Police forces

·         Independent value for money judgement

·         Difference in the amount of crime experienced in South Wales compared to most similar Forces and All Forces 2018 - 19 (based on HMICFRS data). 

·         £58m efficiency savings 2010 – 2019

·         Medium term financial projections

·         Precept history


(Peter Curran)

·         2021 Budget – Police Grant/Police Precept

·         Council Tax bands across South Wales Police area

·         Percentage of dwellings below Band D charge

·         Financial Summary

·         Precept Public Consultation Survey

·         Precept Settlement 2020/21


The following questions/matters were raised by the Panel and answered in detail by the Commissioner’s Team:-


·         Ages of the drug related deaths – young or old

·         Proceeds of crime

·         CCTV – contributions/funding by Local Authorities

·         CCTV – crime detection or prevention

·         Partnership working/precept rise

·         Commissioner’s office – how much does Commissioner give to Chief Constable; how much he keeps; is Commissioner’s office contributing to efficiency savings

·         What has been done to minimise level of precept

·         What is the rationale for the cuts in the capital grant

·         Decarbonisation agenda


Agreed that the following items be included as agenda items at a future meeting:


·         CCTV

·         Decarbonisation agenda

·         Difference in the amount of crime experienced in South Wales compared to most similar Forces and All Forces 2018 - 19 (based on HMICFRS data). 


A short break was taken at 1.10 p.m.


The Panel reconvened at 1.20 p.m.


Matt Jukes summarised advising four areas of policing costs (police officers; non-operational police staff (HR, recruitment); operational  ...  view the full minutes text for item 15.


Police and Crime Commissioner for South Wales' Police Precept Consultation Public Survey Results pdf icon PDF 305 KB

To consider the attached report


Additional documents:


To receive the Report.



To receive a presentation from the Commissioner


Presentation received.


Co-option of a new Independent Member to the South Wales Police and Crime Panel pdf icon PDF 138 KB

To consider the attached report



The Chair summarised the report and asked the South Wales Police and Crime Panel to endorse the interview panel’s decision of appointing Mr Ian Fox as the new independent co-opted member.


Resolved that:


Mr Ian Fox be appointed as independent co-opted member on the South Wales Police and Crime Panel until the 31st October 2020.


Any other business deemed urgent by the Chair


The Chair deemed the following matters urgent under any other business:-


·         Meeting with Jane Hutt


Mel Jehu, Vice Chair (representing Panel) attended the meeting and provided Panel with a summary of the meeting, with particular reference to the issues affecting Panel and the work of the Commissioner and the Chief Constable; appointment issues; time to get decisions from Home Office; funding; initiatives and champions.


·         Question from the Public


Simon Jones took the Panel through a letter received from a member of the public (Mr J) who asked “what is the Commissioner going to do to ensure that the Chief Constable takes all practical steps to eliminate and prevent police officers in South Wales exploiting victims for sex”.


Discussion took place with regard to the question that had been received and was originally scheduled to be discussed at the December 2019 meeting which was cancelled.   Simon Jones advised a response had been received from the Commissioner’s office, which was then presented to the Panel, but suggested bringing back as an item to a future meeting as the Commissioner acknowledged the importance of this matter and how it is dealt with.


The Chair thanked members for their attendance.




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