Agenda and minutes

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The Chair welcomed Councillor Erika Kerchner to her first Panel Meeting and advised that as confirmation from the Home Office was outstanding Councillor Kerchner could ask questions but could not vote.


Apologies for Absence


Apologies for absence were received from Councillor J Charles.


Declarations of Interest

Members are reminded of their personal responsibility to declare any personal and prejudicial interest in respect of matters contained in this agenda in accordance with the provisions of the Local Government and Finance Act 1992 relating to Council Tax, the Local Government Act 2000, the Council’s Constitution and the Members Code of Conduct




(a)  Members are reminded that they must identify the item number and subject matter that their interest relates to and signify the nature of the personal interest and


(b)  Where Members withdraw from a Meeting as a consequence of the disclosure of a prejudicial interest they must notify the Chair when they leave


Mr Martyn Jones Declared a Personal Interest in Item Five – Commissioners Update Report – Stop- Search Dip Sampling as he is Chair of a Discussion Group in relation to Stop and Search.


Councillor Bernie Bowen-Thomson Declared a Personal Interest in Item Five – Commissioners Update Report – Safer Wales Charity.


Mr Melvin Jehu Declared a Personal Interest in Item Seven – Presentation on the complaints received and the work carried out by the Professional Standards Department as his daughter is a Detective Sergeant in the South Wales Professional Standards Department.



Minutes of Previous Meeting(s) pdf icon PDF 104 KB


Resolved that:


The Minutes of the Meeting held 5 June 2018 be accepted as a correct record.


Briefing Session

A briefing session for Panel Members will be held from 10.00 am – 10.30 am (approximately) prior to the arrival of any invited attendees or witnesses to the meeting.


The Chair referred to Complaints that had been received from Police Officers and Support Staff.


Simon Jones then outlined the remit of the Panel in relation to Complaints.


Debate then ensued on the matter and it was agreed by the Panel that a Letter be sent to the Police Federation outlining the remit of the Panel in relation to Complaints.


The Panel then further discussed in detail the issues that were to be considered at the Meeting.




Commissioners Update Report - Rt Hon Alun Michael pdf icon PDF 213 KB


The Chair welcomed Alun Michael, Umar Hussain, Lee Jones, Peter Curran, Jacqueline Trow and Richard Lewis to the Meeting.


Alun Michael and the Officers referred the Committee to the Update report and gave detail on:


·         Community Safety in Wales

·         South Wales Police to increase the number of Officers trained to carry Taser

·         Facial Recognition

·         Police Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE) Programme

·         Oversight, Scrutiny and Accountability

·         Hate Crime Victim Satisfaction


The following Questions were then raised by the Panel and were responded to in detail:


·         Mechanism for people outside the Police – Involvement of people in the Community

·         Engagement with vulnerable groups

·         Stop and Search – Gender balance

·         Tasers


The Chair then thanked the Officers for the update to the Panel.


Update on Complaint changes paper and verbal update - Jackie Trow pdf icon PDF 1 MB


Alun Michael referred the Panel to the ‘Action Plan for Complaints Matter’ report and welcomed comments from the Panel.


Jacqueline Trow then referred in detail to the Options 1, 2 and 3.


Mr Michael advised that Option 1 had been opted for as it enhanced the work of Scrutiny and Professional Standards.


The following questions were then raised by the Panel:


·         Impact on Force resources

·         Partners in relation to Consultation


The Chair also confirmed the remit of the Panel in relation to Complaints.


The Chair then thanked Jacqueline Trow for the update to the Panel.


Presentation on complaints received and the work carried out by the Professional Standards Department - Superintendent Esyr Jones


The Chair welcomed Superintendent Esyr Jones to the Meeting.


Superintendent Jones then made the following Presentation to the Panel:


·         Structure of the Professional Standards Department

·         Definition of a Complaint

·         IOPC Statutory Guidance

·         Demand graphs for the periods 2014/15, 2016/17 and 2017/18

·         New public complaint cases recorded by South Wales Police

·         Graphs for the periods 2014/15, 2016/17 and 2017/18 in relation to Referrals to the Independent Office for Police Conduct 

·         Overview of the Case Management Process

·         Assessment Unit / Recording Decisions / Severity Assessment / Allocations / Outcomes / Appeal

·         Graph – Suspensions from Duty 2012 – 2018 to date

·         Current Performance


Questions were then raised by the Panel on the Presentation and were responded to by Superintendent Jones:


The Chair then thanked Superintendent Jones for the Presentation and requested a print out of the Presentation.


Paper and verbal update on Apprenticeship Levy explaining the work the Commissioner has been doing with regard to his lead role on the Partnership Council Finance Sub Group pdf icon PDF 112 KB

·                     What impact is the levy having upon SWP?

·                     Are the Police looking at ways they can access monies from the levy?

·                     How much of a priority is this for SWP?


Additional documents:


Alun Michael and Richard Davies referred the Panel in detail to the ‘Apprenticeship Levy, Finance Sub Group Update’ and ‘Update Paper from Partnership Council for Wales in May 2018’ reports.


The following questions were then raised by the Panel:


·         Is there any rationale from the Home Office

·         Night Time Economy – Partnership working


A Member then recommended that a letter be sent to the Minister in relation to the disproportionate funding to help support people and communities


Alum Michael then stated that he welcomed this support.




Councillor R Smith vacated the Chair and left the Meeting at 12.15 pm.


Mr Melvin Jehu Vice Chair took the Chair


Councillor R Young left the Meeting at 12.16 pm.


The Chair then suggested that as the year progressed if there were specific issues then there could be nominated Ambassadors from the Panel where those Members could be invited to observe.


Alun Michael advised that he would be happy to try and accommodate this.


Finance and Force Update presentation - Mr Umar Hussain/Deputy Chief Constable Richard Lewis


Alun Michael, Umar Hussain and Richard Lewis then gave the following Presentation on Challenges of Demand and the Impact of Austerity to the Panel:


·         Police and Crime Plan 2018/21 – Delivering Together to keep South Wales Safe

·         Our Priorities

·         Shared Ambition

·         Chief Constable’s Delivery Plan 2018/21

·         Mission – Keeping South Wales Safe

·         Vision – To be the Best at Understanding and Responding to Our Communities Need

·         Operational Priorities / Organisational Priorities

·         Organisational Change Programme

·         Answered within Target Time 2013 to 2018 - Emergency SLA Rate / Non-Emergency SLA Rate

·         Received Calls – All Emergency Lines / All Non-Emergency Lines

·         Recorded Crime – All Crime – Force – Monthly Graph

·         Crime – National Comparisons

·         Crime Changes and Impact by Offence Group

·         County Lines – What is County Lines

·         Drugs and Organised Crime

·         County Lines Case Study

·         Current situation in South Wales

·         County Line Hotspots

·         Knife Crime Hotspots

·         Knife Crime – Swansea and Cardiff

·         South Wales Police recorded violence (With and Without Injury) in context

·         Absence counts per employee 2017 -18

·         Ranks and Grades

·         Current Position – August 2018

·         Overview of Work Currently Ongoing

·         2017 -18 Financial Outturn

·         National Audit Office

·         Revenue Budget 2018 -19 – Journey so far

·         Capital Budget 2018-19

·         Capital Funding Comparison 2018 -19

·         Comparative Position Reserves

·         On target for Annual Savings up to 2018/19

·         Scenario Planning / Current Assumption

·         Funding Formula

·         CRS 2019 Development

·         Summary


The Chair then thanked Alun Michael, Umar Hussain and Richard Lewis for the detailed Presentation to the Panel.


Appointment of Chief Finance Officer - Rt Hon Alun Michael pdf icon PDF 115 KB


The Chair referred the Panel to the ‘Appointment of Chief Finance Officer’ report.


The Chair welcomed Peter Curran to the Meeting and invited Mr Curran to address the Panel.


Mr Curran then addressed the Panel and responded to questions raised by the Panel.


Mr Curran then left the Meeting.


After consideration by the Panel it was


Resolved that:


The Panel recommends to the Commissioner the appointment of Mr Peter Thomas Curran as Chief Finance Officer to the Police and Crime Commissioner for South Wales in accordance with Schedule 1 10 (4) of the Police Reform and Social Responsibility Act 2011, Schedule 1 9 (1) (b).


Mr Curran re-entered the Meeting and was congratulated on his appointment by the Chair on behalf of the Panel.


Alun Michael then updated the Panel in relation to Mr Geoff Petty and the Panel paid tribute to the Service of Mr Petty to the Panel and the South Wales Police.


Resolved that:


A letter be sent from the Panel to Mr Petty extending best wishes and thanking him for his Services.


Report for Information - Annual Review- Lee Jones pdf icon PDF 1 MB


The Chair referred the Panel to the ‘Annual Report 2017/19 – A Summary of our Impact’ report.


Lee Jones then led the Panel through the report.


Resolved that:


The contents of the Report be received with no recommendations.


Any other business deemed urgent by the Chair


The Chair advised that there was no business deemed urgent.


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