Agenda and minutes

Venue: Orbit Business Centre, Rhydycar Business Park, Merthyr Tydfil, CF48 1DL

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Briefing Session

A briefing session for Panel Members will be held from 10.35am - 11.05am (approximately) prior to the arrival of any invited attendees or witnesses to the meeting.


Discussion took place regarding the items on the agenda.


Panel members expressed their sadness at the passing of Councillor Robert Smith who was a quiet, understated and well respected gentleman and wished to send their best wishes and condolences to Councillor Smith’s family.




Apologies for Absence


Apologies for absence were received from Councillors Peter Rees, Christine Richards and Graham Thomas.


Apologies for non-attendance were also received from Lee Jones, Chief of Staff (Commissioners Office) and Matt Jukes, Chief Constable.


Declarations of Interest

Members are reminded of their personal responsibility to declare any personal and prejudicial interest in respect of matters contained in this agenda in accordance with the provisions of the Local Government and Finance Act 1992 relating to Council Tax, the Local Government Act 2000, the Council’s Constitution and the Members Code of Conduct




(a)  Members are reminded that they must identify the item number and subject matter that their interest relates to and signify the nature of the personal interest and


(b)  Where Members withdraw from a Meeting as a consequence of the disclosure of a prejudicial interest they must notify the Chair when they leave


Councillor B Bowen-Thompson declared an interest in the All Wales Criminal Justice Group and the charity that she works for receives funding from the Commissioner’s office.


Minutes of Previous Meeting(s)


Minutes of meeting Tuesday, 29 January 2019 of South Wales Police and Crime Panel pdf icon PDF 120 KB


Resolved that:


The Minutes of the Meeting held 29th January 2019 be accepted as a true record.


Minutes of meeting Tuesday, 23 April 2019 of South Wales Police and Crime Panel pdf icon PDF 144 KB


Amendment on Page 10 (item 33) to read ‘formal evidence given’ rather than ‘advice’.


Amendment on Page 11 (item 35a) to read ‘Martyn’ not ‘Martin’.


Amendment on Page 12 (item 35c) to read ‘Wools’ not ‘Wills’.


Resolved that:-


The Minutes of the Meeting on 23rd April 2019 be accepted as a true record subject to the amendments listed above.


Appointment of Chair pdf icon PDF 186 KB

To consider the attached report



Councillor Rhys Lewis left the meeting at 10.40 a.m., the meeting was adjourned until his return at 10.45 a.m.


Simon Jones explained the rules of appointment of Chair including advising that the Chair could only be drawn from Elected Members.


Resolved that:


Councillor Richard Young be appointed as Chair of the Panel.



Appointment of Vice Chair pdf icon PDF 185 KB

To consider the attached report



Simon Jones explained the rules of appointment of Vice Chair.


Resolved that:


Mr Melvin Jehu, Co-opted Member be appointed as Vice Chair of the Panel.


Presentation Update from the Commissioner

To receive a presentation from the Commissioner


The Chair welcomed the Commissioner and his Team to the meeting.



Violence against Women and Girls pdf icon PDF 673 KB


The Panel received a presentation from Paula Hardy, Strategic Policy Lead on The Joint Strategy of the Police & Crime Commissioner and Chief Constable for South Wales to tackle Violence against Women and Girls, Domestic Abuse and Sexual Violence 2019 – 2024 with particular reference made to:-


§     Principles – constant learning, incremental improvements and listening to victims and survivors.

§     Clear direction for the future.

§     Longer term strategy 2019 – 2024.

§     Planning for the longer term - economic, environmental, collaboration, involving people in the decisions that affect them, integration and prevention.

§     Joint strategic priorities – enhanced collaboration, preventation and early intervention, safeguarding and perpetrators.

§     Four P’s Framework (used for Serious and Organised Crime) – Prepare, Prevent, Protect and Pursue.

§     Focusing on the difference – what we do, how we do it, outcomes and aims.



DRIVE project update following a presentation at the House of Lords in May on the work in South Wales


The Panel received a presentation from Mr Alun Michael, Police and Crime Commissioner on DRIVE (an innovative approach to responding to high-harm perpetrators of domestic abuse, with particular reference made to the following:-


·         “Without this work we know that domestic abuse perpetrators will continue to enter new relationships, create more victims and expose children to harmful abusive behaviour.  It is above ending abuse for the victims of today – but also the victims of tomorrow” – Drive case manager


·         The aims of Drive – to reduce the number of repeat and new victims,  the harm caused to victims and children, the number of serial perpetrators of domestic abuse and to intervene to protect families living with domestic abuse.


·         We need to stop asking “Why doesn’t she leave?’ and start asking “Why doesn’t he stop?”


·         Pilot Sites/Replication Sites


·         Change of attitudes and what victims want as outcomes


Questions/comments were raised by Panel with regard to the following points:-


·         Five year strategy – longer term ambitions

·         Sustainable Development Framework

·         Long term prevention/training for front-line staff


A request was made for the Panel to observe how front-line training was delivered.  The Commissioner welcomed this idea.


The Panel thanked the Team for the positive impact that this work was having and commended the hard work being undertaken.






Criminal Justice Blueprints i. Women Offenders ii Youth Offending pdf icon PDF 108 KB

Additional documents:


The Commissioner provided background and historical information to the blueprints for female offending and youth justice.


Emma Wools provided Panel with a presentation on Female Offending with particular reference to:-


·         Progress to date

·         Priority areas

·         Lessons learned from Women’s Pathfinder

·         Women in Justice Programme


A further presentation was received on Youth Offending with particular reference to:-


·         Strategic aims of youth justice blueprint

·         Guiding principles for youth justice

·         Whole system approach

·         Where we are and next steps

·         Going forward – implementation


The Panel thanked the Team for the presentations and work undertaken.


Serious Violent Crime Update pdf icon PDF 399 KB


The Commissioner referred to the Tackling Violence – the South Wales Approach report.


The Commissioner and the Panel discussed the content.


Performance and Demand pdf icon PDF 1 MB

Additional documents:


The Commissioner referred to the South Wales Police – Demand, Challenges and Performances report and made particular reference to the following:-


·         Challenges of missing persons and amount of calls received and responses.

·         Solidarity between Police, Welsh Government and Community

·         Knife crime

·         Domestic violence

·         Stop and Search


The following matters were raised and discussed:-


·         Divisional Commanders to attend each of the quarterly meetings (excluding Precept Meeting) for elected representatives to better understand and have a more informed approach of each area.


-       The Commissioner noted the request for Divisional Commanders to attend, but wished it noted that Panel hold the Commissioner to account not Divisional Commanders.


·         Clarity over ‘outcomes that are positive’ – does this mean arrests or locked up?


·         Useful seeing BCU split, but not all areas reported in the same way.


-       Commissioner agreed that more detail could be provided if the questions were provided in advance.


·         Operational Resources/what is being put in place


The Chair thanked the Team for the information provided.


Mid-Year Financial Assessment by the Treasurer

To receive update


Peter Curran, Chief Finance Officer summarised the Mid-Year Financial Assessment report and in particular made reference to:-


·         Commissioner’s financial responsibilities

·         Implications of having two corporations sole

·         How the Commissioner’s finances are managed

·         Main sources of financial information

·         Financial challenges

·         Commissioner’s Team

·         Official statistics

·         Comparative analysis of costs of Commissioner’s Teams

·         Commissioner’s Budget 2019/20

·         Automated facial recognition

·         Swansea Help Point

·         Police Estate

·         Women’s Pathfinder


The Panel thanked the Commissioner’s Team for the presentation.



Oversight of Complaints pdf icon PDF 320 KB

To consider the attached report



Simon Jones detailed the report content.


Any other business deemed urgent by the Chair


Discussion took place around the Rules of Procedure and the appointment of Chair needing to be an Elected Member.


A member expressed a view that as the Commissioner is elected, the Chair should be an Elected Member.


The Chair agreed that a report would be brought to a future meeting.


No other business was deemed urgent by the Chair.



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